In the last Board meeting we discussed the future of git.centos.org, and whether it would make sense to encourage SIGs to move over to GitLab, as we already have a group at gitlab.com/centos and that's where CentOS Stream development is happening (under gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream). GitLab also provides features (notably, CI integration via Pipelines and an improved code review flow) that some SIGs would like to use and would benefit from.
To this end, I have filed https://git.centos.org/centos/board/issue/129 to summarize the discussion and decide the next steps. We'd welcome any comments and feedback on this. To be clear, there are no plans to sunset git.centos.org at this time.
Cheers Davide
On 13/12/2024 12:47, Davide Cavalca wrote:
In the last Board meeting we discussed the future of git.centos.org, and whether it would make sense to encourage SIGs to move over to GitLab, as we already have a group at gitlab.com/centos and that's where CentOS Stream development is happening (under gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream). GitLab also provides features (notably, CI integration via Pipelines and an improved code review flow) that some SIGs would like to use and would benefit from.
To this end, I have filed https://git.centos.org/centos/board/issue/129 to summarize the discussion and decide the next steps. We'd welcome any comments and feedback on this. To be clear, there are no plans to sunset git.centos.org at this time.
Cheers Davide
Hi Davide,
Thanks a lot for the info.
Some thoughts about this :
# gitlab agreement It's a question someone asked me recently and in fact I have no idea/clue what to answer : what's the current agreement between CentOS Project and Gitlab and which features (limits / quota ?) can we use or not. Maybe worth clarifying ? I was just checking for features/seats/price and found https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/. OTOH, I was searching for info about gitlab.com hosted gitlab being free to use for OSS projects , and then found this : https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ , and seeing that CentOS (old logo btw) is listed as open source partner so I guess we're then covered and no need to be afraid of the future ? (I see Fedora also listed there but Fedora recently decided to switch to Forgejo - https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-moves-towards-forgejo-a-unified-decision/)
# lookaside cache usage At the moment, we're still relying on specific cgi to let authenticated SIGs member to push to on-premises lookaside cache. Would there suddenly a need to evaluate using gitlfs, that they support ? (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/git/lfs/)
# migration to gitlab I know that Fedora, when doing some investigation about eventually moving projects to gitlab, have written a tool to easily export/import from pagure git repo itself (easy) but also the tickets/issues , so that it would not be lost, so eventually worth investigating ? (https://github.com/fedora-infra/pagure-exporter) .. and btw, migrating centos board project itself with issues would then be a good candidate ? :)
On 2024-12-13 13:18, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
# gitlab agreement It's a question someone asked me recently and in fact I have no idea/clue what to answer : what's the current agreement between CentOS Project and Gitlab and which features (limits / quota ?) can we use or not. Maybe worth clarifying ? I was just checking for features/seats/price and found https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/. OTOH, I was searching for info about gitlab.com hosted gitlab being free to use for OSS projects , and then found this : https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ , and seeing that CentOS (old logo btw) is listed as open source partner so I guess we're then covered and no need to be afraid of the future ? (I see Fedora also listed there but Fedora recently decided to switch to Forgejo - https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-moves-towards-forgejo-a-unified-decision/)
This is a good question, and I don't know the answer offhand, but I agree with you that based on https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/partners/ we should be in the clear. I will try to find out more.
# lookaside cache usage At the moment, we're still relying on specific cgi to let authenticated SIGs member to push to on-premises lookaside cache. Would there suddenly a need to evaluate using gitlfs, that they support ? (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/git/lfs/)
I don't think this is necessarily a requirement, we should be able to continue using the existing lookaside for now. Git LFS would be useful to explore as an option for future-proofing, but it shouldn't be a blocker here.
# migration to gitlab I know that Fedora, when doing some investigation about eventually moving projects to gitlab, have written a tool to easily export/import from pagure git repo itself (easy) but also the tickets/issues , so that it would not be lost, so eventually worth investigating ? (https://github.com/fedora-infra/pagure-exporter) .. and btw, migrating centos board project itself with issues would then be a good candidate ? :)
Yes, Neal mentioned this during the meeting as well. It's definitely something we'll look into and leverage, especially for repos such as the board issues one.
Cheers Davide
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 9:53 AM Davide Cavalca dcavalca@centosproject.org wrote:
On 2024-12-13 13:18, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
# gitlab agreement It's a question someone asked me recently and in fact I have no idea/clue what to answer : what's the current agreement between CentOS Project and Gitlab and which features (limits / quota ?) can we use or not. Maybe worth clarifying ? I was just checking for features/seats/price and found https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/. OTOH, I was searching for info about gitlab.com hosted gitlab being free to use for OSS projects , and then found this : https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ , and seeing that CentOS (old logo btw) is listed as open source partner so I guess we're then covered and no need to be afraid of the future ? (I see Fedora also listed there but Fedora recently decided to switch to Forgejo - https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-moves-towards-forgejo-a-unified-decision/)
This is a good question, and I don't know the answer offhand, but I agree with you that based on https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/partners/ we should be in the clear. I will try to find out more.
# lookaside cache usage At the moment, we're still relying on specific cgi to let authenticated SIGs member to push to on-premises lookaside cache. Would there suddenly a need to evaluate using gitlfs, that they support ? (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/git/lfs/)
I don't think this is necessarily a requirement, we should be able to continue using the existing lookaside for now. Git LFS would be useful to explore as an option for future-proofing, but it shouldn't be a blocker here.
I would rather we didn't use Git LFS, because it's a pain (and sometimes impossible) to mirror.
Hi,
I think it makes sense to move everything to Gitlab. As long as we find a viable lookaside solution, I don't see any blockers for the Cloud SiG.
Joel
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 4:13 PM Neal Gompa ngompa13@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 9:53 AM Davide Cavalca dcavalca@centosproject.org wrote:
On 2024-12-13 13:18, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
# gitlab agreement It's a question someone asked me recently and in fact I have no idea/clue what to answer : what's the current agreement between CentOS Project and Gitlab and which features (limits / quota ?) can we use or not. Maybe worth clarifying ? I was just checking for features/seats/price and found https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/. OTOH, I was searching for info about gitlab.com hosted gitlab being free to use for OSS projects , and then found this : https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ , and seeing that CentOS (old logo btw) is listed as open source partner so I guess we're then covered and no need to be afraid of the future ? (I see Fedora also listed there but Fedora recently decided to switch to Forgejo -
https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-moves-towards-forgejo-a-unified-decision/ )
This is a good question, and I don't know the answer offhand, but I agree with you that based on https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/partners/ we should be in the clear. I will try to find out more.
# lookaside cache usage At the moment, we're still relying on specific cgi to let authenticated SIGs member to push to on-premises lookaside cache. Would there suddenly a need to evaluate using gitlfs, that they support ? (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/git/lfs/)
I don't think this is necessarily a requirement, we should be able to continue using the existing lookaside for now. Git LFS would be useful to explore as an option for future-proofing, but it shouldn't be a blocker here.
I would rather we didn't use Git LFS, because it's a pain (and sometimes impossible) to mirror.
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On Fri 13 Dec 2024, 13:18 Fabian Arrotin, arrfab@centos.org wrote:
On 13/12/2024 12:47, Davide Cavalca wrote:
In the last Board meeting we discussed the future of git.centos.org,
and
whether it would make sense to encourage SIGs to move over to GitLab, as we already have a group at gitlab.com/centos and that's where CentOS Stream development is happening (under gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream).
GitLab also provides features (notably, CI integration via Pipelines and an improved code review flow) that some SIGs would like to use and would benefit from.
To this end, I have filed https://git.centos.org/centos/board/issue/129 to summarize the discussion and decide the next steps. We'd welcome any comments and feedback on this. To be clear, there are no plans to sunset git.centos.org at this time.
Cheers Davide
Hi Davide,
Thanks a lot for the info.
Some thoughts about this :
# gitlab agreement It's a question someone asked me recently and in fact I have no idea/clue what to answer : what's the current agreement between CentOS Project and Gitlab and which features (limits / quota ?) can we use or not. Maybe worth clarifying ? I was just checking for features/seats/price and found https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/. OTOH, I was searching for info about gitlab.com hosted gitlab being free to use for OSS projects , and then found this : https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ , and seeing that CentOS (old logo btw) is listed as open source partner so I guess we're then covered and no need to be afraid of the future ?
It's covered under their open source program, it effectively offers the equivalent of Ultimate tier capabilities. There are CI limits to avoid abuse but it's generally very permissive. When we engaged at the time they do an annual renewal to say we are still interested. It then changed to a 3 year renewal, I believe next year it's the end of that cycle. This is more a commitment on their side Vs CentOS or any community side. Happy to share what I know as I looked after the CentOS and Fedora onboarding at the time
(I see Fedora also listed there but Fedora recently decided to switch to
Forgejo - https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-moves-towards-forgejo-a-unified-decision/ )
# lookaside cache usage At the moment, we're still relying on specific cgi to let authenticated SIGs member to push to on-premises lookaside cache. Would there suddenly a need to evaluate using gitlfs, that they support ? (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/git/lfs/)
# migration to gitlab I know that Fedora, when doing some investigation about eventually moving projects to gitlab, have written a tool to easily export/import from pagure git repo itself (easy) but also the tickets/issues , so that it would not be lost, so eventually worth investigating ? (https://github.com/fedora-infra/pagure-exporter) .. and btw, migrating centos board project itself with issues would then be a good candidate ? :)
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Thanks Leigh for that historical information!
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 10:58 AM Leigh Griffin lgriffin@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri 13 Dec 2024, 13:18 Fabian Arrotin, arrfab@centos.org wrote:
On 13/12/2024 12:47, Davide Cavalca wrote:
In the last Board meeting we discussed the future of git.centos.org,
and
whether it would make sense to encourage SIGs to move over to GitLab,
as
we already have a group at gitlab.com/centos and that's where CentOS Stream development is happening (under gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream).
GitLab also provides features (notably, CI integration via Pipelines
and
an improved code review flow) that some SIGs would like to use and
would
benefit from.
To this end, I have filed https://git.centos.org/centos/board/issue/129 to summarize the discussion and decide the next steps. We'd welcome any comments and feedback on this. To be clear, there are no plans to
sunset
git.centos.org at this time.
Cheers Davide
Hi Davide,
Thanks a lot for the info.
Some thoughts about this :
# gitlab agreement It's a question someone asked me recently and in fact I have no idea/clue what to answer : what's the current agreement between CentOS Project and Gitlab and which features (limits / quota ?) can we use or not. Maybe worth clarifying ? I was just checking for features/seats/price and found https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/. OTOH, I was searching for info about gitlab.com hosted gitlab being free to use for OSS projects , and then found this : https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ , and seeing that CentOS (old logo btw) is listed as open source partner so I guess we're then covered and no need to be afraid of the future ?
It's covered under their open source program, it effectively offers the equivalent of Ultimate tier capabilities. There are CI limits to avoid abuse but it's generally very permissive. When we engaged at the time they do an annual renewal to say we are still interested. It then changed to a 3 year renewal, I believe next year it's the end of that cycle. This is more a commitment on their side Vs CentOS or any community side. Happy to share what I know as I looked after the CentOS and Fedora onboarding at the time
(I see Fedora also listed there but Fedora recently decided to switch to
Forgejo -
https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-moves-towards-forgejo-a-unified-decision/ )
# lookaside cache usage At the moment, we're still relying on specific cgi to let authenticated SIGs member to push to on-premises lookaside cache. Would there suddenly a need to evaluate using gitlfs, that they support ? (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/git/lfs/)
# migration to gitlab I know that Fedora, when doing some investigation about eventually moving projects to gitlab, have written a tool to easily export/import from pagure git repo itself (easy) but also the tickets/issues , so that it would not be lost, so eventually worth investigating ? (https://github.com/fedora-infra/pagure-exporter) .. and btw, migrating centos board project itself with issues would then be a good candidate ? :)
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Always happy to help when I have the opportunity :)
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 9:28 PM Amy Marrich amy@redhat.com wrote:
Thanks Leigh for that historical information!
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She/Her/Hers
Principal Technical Marketing Manager - Cloud Platforms
Red Hat, Inc https://www.redhat.com/
amy@redhat.com
Mobile: 954-818-0514
Slack: amarrich
IRC: spotz
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 10:58 AM Leigh Griffin lgriffin@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri 13 Dec 2024, 13:18 Fabian Arrotin, arrfab@centos.org wrote:
On 13/12/2024 12:47, Davide Cavalca wrote:
In the last Board meeting we discussed the future of git.centos.org,
and
whether it would make sense to encourage SIGs to move over to GitLab,
as
we already have a group at gitlab.com/centos and that's where CentOS Stream development is happening (under gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream).
GitLab also provides features (notably, CI integration via Pipelines
and
an improved code review flow) that some SIGs would like to use and
would
benefit from.
To this end, I have filed
https://git.centos.org/centos/board/issue/129
to summarize the discussion and decide the next steps. We'd welcome
any
comments and feedback on this. To be clear, there are no plans to
sunset
git.centos.org at this time.
Cheers Davide
Hi Davide,
Thanks a lot for the info.
Some thoughts about this :
# gitlab agreement It's a question someone asked me recently and in fact I have no idea/clue what to answer : what's the current agreement between CentOS Project and Gitlab and which features (limits / quota ?) can we use or not. Maybe worth clarifying ? I was just checking for features/seats/price and found https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/. OTOH, I was searching for info about gitlab.com hosted gitlab being free to use for OSS projects , and then found this : https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/open-source/ , and seeing that CentOS (old logo btw) is listed as open source partner so I guess we're then covered and no need to be afraid of the future ?
It's covered under their open source program, it effectively offers the equivalent of Ultimate tier capabilities. There are CI limits to avoid abuse but it's generally very permissive. When we engaged at the time they do an annual renewal to say we are still interested. It then changed to a 3 year renewal, I believe next year it's the end of that cycle. This is more a commitment on their side Vs CentOS or any community side. Happy to share what I know as I looked after the CentOS and Fedora onboarding at the time
(I see Fedora also listed there but Fedora recently decided to switch to
Forgejo -
https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-moves-towards-forgejo-a-unified-decision/ )
# lookaside cache usage At the moment, we're still relying on specific cgi to let authenticated SIGs member to push to on-premises lookaside cache. Would there suddenly a need to evaluate using gitlfs, that they support ? (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/git/lfs/)
# migration to gitlab I know that Fedora, when doing some investigation about eventually moving projects to gitlab, have written a tool to easily export/import from pagure git repo itself (easy) but also the tickets/issues , so that it would not be lost, so eventually worth investigating ? (https://github.com/fedora-infra/pagure-exporter) .. and btw, migrating centos board project itself with issues would then be a good candidate ? :)
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