Hy there,
I read over the ToDo List and have some points to mention and hope its ok:
The following tasks needs one or more owners:
* Create appealing screenshots for the website, articles or events
additional: take pictures from events...
* Feed information to journalist as an incentive to write a CentOS article
That could be very dangerous if it is not planned good enough...
* Contact magazines for CentOS related articles or include CentOS media
Therefore CentOS should have ready made press kit (could work out something).
* Contact publishers (of Fedora/RHEL books) to include CentOS on cover, in print or as media
additional: contact Writers and ask to work out the CentOS related parts.
* Sell and ship branded goods on the website and at events (stickers, mugs, posters, media)
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
* Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services for CentOS
Question: Who are the Supporters? How many people are in the Crew?
* Create a CentOS Weekly News that summarizes BLOG articles, events, progress, etc...
idea: could the blog used to improve the idea? Because of archiving articles and redirect from the Newsletter...?!
* Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your laptop
additional: Install CentOS under VMWare.
Any comments ;-) ?
cheers Henrik
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wonderer wonderer4711@gmx.de wrote:
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
http://centos.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/
I think Lance runs this (at least, he posted this URL a while ago). It could be advertised better ;).
- Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services for
CentOS
By CentOS, or by third parties? We are currently a non-profit project.
- Create a CentOS Weekly News that summarizes BLOG articles, events,
progress, etc...
Hmm, I think this would have a lot of overlap with Planet CentOS. But blog aggregation requires far less maintenance work ;). I am not sure if this item is still relevant.
- Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your laptop
Check :): http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops
Take care, Daniel
Daniel de Kok schrieb:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wonderer wonderer4711@gmx.de wrote:
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
Ah, ok!
I think Lance runs this (at least, he posted this URL a while ago). It could be advertised better ;).
How about a little "Button" for Websites? http://www.braincache.de/centos/CentOS-Shop.jpg
- Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services for
CentOS
By CentOS, or by third parties? We are currently a non-profit project.
Hmm, I also thought if I would/should pay for Enterprise I could/should take RHEL ...?!
- Create a CentOS Weekly News that summarizes BLOG articles, events,
progress, etc...
Hmm, I think this would have a lot of overlap with Planet CentOS. But blog aggregation requires far less maintenance work ;). I am not sure if this item is still relevant.
Ack.
- Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your laptop
Check :): http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops
Ok.
cheers Henrik
Henrik
Re the point: "* Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services for CentOS"
I would also highlight http://centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=12 as this is another area to promote commercial support.
At LinuxIT we offer commercial support for CentOS from business hours to fully managed. We would welcome the opportunity to have details of our offerings and our logo on centos.org and on the wiki, especially if we could put something back into the community.
Since September last year we have been trying to engage with Lance Davis to open up the commercial support offerings at centos.org - so far zero progress. My last mail to Lance, nearly two weeks ago - no response.
So, if you do open this up on the wiki please get in touch we would like to be top of the list.
Thanks,
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: centos-promo-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-promo-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of wonderer Sent: 16 June 2008 15:30 To: Events, gatherings and meetings Subject: [CentOS-promo] Some thougts about the ToDo List
Hy there,
I read over the ToDo List and have some points to mention and hope its ok:
The following tasks needs one or more owners:
* Create appealing screenshots for the website, articles or events
additional: take pictures from events...
* Feed information to journalist as an incentive to write a CentOS article
That could be very dangerous if it is not planned good enough...
* Contact magazines for CentOS related articles or include CentOS media
Therefore CentOS should have ready made press kit (could work out something).
* Contact publishers (of Fedora/RHEL books) to include CentOS on cover, in print or as media
additional: contact Writers and ask to work out the CentOS related parts.
* Sell and ship branded goods on the website and at events (stickers, mugs, posters, media)
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
* Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services for CentOS
Question: Who are the Supporters? How many people are in the Crew?
* Create a CentOS Weekly News that summarizes BLOG articles, events,
progress, etc...
idea: could the blog used to improve the idea? Because of archiving articles and redirect from the Newsletter...?!
* Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your laptop
additional: Install CentOS under VMWare.
Any comments ;-) ?
cheers Henrik _______________________________________________ CentOS-promo mailing list CentOS-promo@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-promo
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Bill Quinn bill.quinn@linuxit.com wrote:
At LinuxIT we offer commercial support for CentOS from business hours to fully managed. We would welcome the opportunity to have details of our offerings and our logo on centos.org and on the wiki, especially if we could put something back into the community.
I think it would be useful to have an alphabetic consultant list very much like this: http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/consultants.html
Take care, Daniel
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Bill Quinn bill.quinn@linuxit.com wrote:
At LinuxIT we offer commercial support for CentOS from business hours to fully managed. We would welcome the opportunity to have details of our offerings and our logo on centos.org and on the wiki, especially if we could put something back into the community.
I think it would be useful to have an alphabetic consultant list very much like this: http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/consultants.html
We do have to be careful that the list does not bitrot, and that there is a balance of big and smaller companies.
The reason why we currently do not have a list is because in the past it was seen as a way to monetize that list and I think that still is blocking any progress.
The problem with asking money to appear on the list is that you loose the balance of all players in the market and you are advertising those that are big enough to pay the fee.
Dag
Agree that the list needs to include big and small companies - provide choice for the end user. Donations / paid for is difficult as you said - a suggestion is a % donation on each support deal done.
As to why commercial support of CentOS as opposed to RHEL? Many reasons - cost savings, enhanced support, local / in country support, remote problem resolution are just a small handful.
Regards,
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: centos-promo-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-promo-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Dag Wieers Sent: 16 June 2008 16:50 To: Events, gatherings and meetings Subject: Re: [CentOS-promo] Some thougts about the ToDo List
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Bill Quinn bill.quinn@linuxit.com
wrote:
At LinuxIT we offer commercial support for CentOS from business hours
to
fully managed. We would welcome the opportunity to have details of
our
offerings and our logo on centos.org and on the wiki, especially if
we
could put something back into the community.
I think it would be useful to have an alphabetic consultant list very much like this: http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/consultants.html
We do have to be careful that the list does not bitrot, and that there is a balance of big and smaller companies.
The reason why we currently do not have a list is because in the past it
was seen as a way to monetize that list and I think that still is blocking any progress.
The problem with asking money to appear on the list is that you loose the balance of all players in the market and you are advertising those that are big enough to pay the fee.
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Bill Quinn wrote:
Dag
Agree that the list needs to include big and small companies - provide choice for the end user. Donations / paid for is difficult as you said - a suggestion is a % donation on each support deal done.
All that has been discussed. A percentage however is very hard to enforce. I am even not completely sure that we need to monetize on the list, but this is not in my hands and I am not interested to spend any more of my time to bring it up on meetings if the people that decide are not interested.
As to why commercial support of CentOS as opposed to RHEL? Many reasons
- cost savings, enhanced support, local / in country support, remote
problem resolution are just a small handful.
You do not have to convince me. Outside of Red Hat's reign there are many services to provide to CentOS users. Although one very important part of the support is that Red Hat is the only party that can fix problems inside CentOS and I think we need to be honest about that as well.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Dag Wieers dag@centos.org wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Daniel de Kok wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Bill Quinn bill.quinn@linuxit.com wrote:
At LinuxIT we offer commercial support for CentOS from business hours to fully managed. We would welcome the opportunity to have details of our offerings and our logo on centos.org and on the wiki, especially if we could put something back into the community.
I think it would be useful to have an alphabetic consultant list very much like this: http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/consultants.html
We do have to be careful that the list does not bitrot, and that there is a balance of big and smaller companies.
The reason why we currently do not have a list is because in the past it was seen as a way to monetize that list and I think that still is blocking any progress.
The problem with asking money to appear on the list is that you loose the balance of all players in the market and you are advertising those that are big enough to pay the fee.
Indeed, that's one of the reasons why I have never been a real proponent for a paid-for list. Just as CentOS helps leveraging start-ups by avoiding support fees if they don't need upstream's support, I think we should stimulate a fair market for CentOS consultants, both big and small. An additional problem I see with this, is that it makes the line between CentOS as a non-profit project and CentOS as an enterprise selling advertising space very thin.
That said, I am not putting hours a day into CentOS (just some occasional Yum/Python hacking). And I think the opinions of developers who do pour that much time into CentOS should be considered with more weight.
Take care, Daniel
Hello,
I see different thoughts on how this could work. I have seen this in other non-commercial projects. It is a wide area to talk about. One thing is to promote CentOS with our work (spread the words, do PR stuff, be gentle and speak with and over it, etc.) and the other thing is to get/have other ideas. I'm the opinion we should first build up some Promo stuff on ourself. The second step could/should be commercial stuff.
The "problem" would be that many Community Users will think "why should I pay for it? Then I can use RHEL." :-)
Re the point: "* Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services for CentOS"
I would also highlight http://centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=12 as this is another area to promote commercial support.
At LinuxIT we offer commercial support for CentOS from business hours to fully managed. We would welcome the opportunity to have details of our offerings and our logo on centos.org and on the wiki, especially if we could put something back into the community.
Since September last year we have been trying to engage with Lance Davis to open up the commercial support offerings at centos.org - so far zero progress. My last mail to Lance, nearly two weeks ago - no response.
So, if you do open this up on the wiki please get in touch we would like to be top of the list.
Thanks,
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: centos-promo-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-promo-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of wonderer Sent: 16 June 2008 15:30 To: Events, gatherings and meetings Subject: [CentOS-promo] Some thougts about the ToDo List
Hy there,
I read over the ToDo List and have some points to mention and hope its ok:
The following tasks needs one or more owners:
* Create appealing screenshots for the website, articles or eventsadditional: take pictures from events...
* Feed information to journalist as an incentive to write a CentOSarticle
That could be very dangerous if it is not planned good enough...
* Contact magazines for CentOS related articles or include CentOSmedia
Therefore CentOS should have ready made press kit (could work out something).
* Contact publishers (of Fedora/RHEL books) to include CentOS oncover, in print or as media
additional: contact Writers and ask to work out the CentOS related parts.
* Sell and ship branded goods on the website and at events(stickers, mugs, posters, media)
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
* Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and servicesfor CentOS
Question: Who are the Supporters? How many people are in the Crew?
* Create a CentOS Weekly News that summarizes BLOG articles, events,progress, etc...
idea: could the blog used to improve the idea? Because of archiving articles and redirect from the Newsletter...?!
* Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on yourlaptop
additional: Install CentOS under VMWare.
Any comments ;-) ?
cheers Henrik _______________________________________________ CentOS-promo mailing list CentOS-promo@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-promo
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, wonderer wrote:
I read over the ToDo List and have some points to mention and hope its ok:
Certainly, I made that list to encourage anyone to help out. So I guess you were my target audience :)
The following tasks needs one or more owners:
- Create appealing screenshots for the website, articles or events
additional: take pictures from events...
Right, we have pictures of events taken, but none of them have been put online in a structured manner :) So where do we want to put those ?
Is the wiki a good place to put a few photo's of every event ?
- Feed information to journalist as an incentive to write a CentOS article
That could be very dangerous if it is not planned good enough...
Not sure what you mean with dangerous. As long as we do not want to spin anything I do not think we have to fear. As long as we give proper information to when CentOS is good, and in what situations CentOS is not suitable we at least educate people.
I think we should do education more than promotion. Most people have no clue what Enterprise Linux is and why they should pay attention to it.
- Contact magazines for CentOS related articles or include CentOS media
Therefore CentOS should have ready made press kit (could work out something).
Yes, we need a press-kit.
- Contact publishers (of Fedora/RHEL books) to include CentOS on cover, in
print or as media
additional: contact Writers and ask to work out the CentOS related parts.
Right, go over the current RHEL and Fedora books and make sure we can improve the part about CentOS.
- Sell and ship branded goods on the website and at events (stickers,
mugs, posters, media)
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
I think we are blocked in this area as well. There have been meetings where this as popped up but none of them really were decisive. As long as we do not have a good plan about what we are using money for, I do not think we should be collecting money at all.
- Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services for
CentOS
Question: Who are the Supporters? How many people are in the Crew?
First of all that list should start off with a good explanation towhat CentOS is and what Red Hat's role is. You cannot be honest and not mention Red Hat's role.
Secondly we probably should make a distinction between different service-providers. You have consultancy, support, products, training, development, ...
Giving a single list without at least some guidance will do us (or our users) no good.
- Create a CentOS Weekly News that summarizes BLOG articles, events,
progress, etc...
idea: could the blog used to improve the idea? Because of archiving articles and redirect from the Newsletter...?!
Yes, I like the way Fedora Weekly News works. In general it contains links to useful threads on the mailinglist or forums, it points to interesting blog articles, it reports about some progress or about some technology, it talks about the people involved in the projects.
All of that is very useful to build a community and to have people involved. As soon as we have something like this, I am sure that people start paying attention to interesting stuff that could go in the CentOS Weekly News.
And if there is a slow week, it may be a shorter CWN than on a busy week.
Having the CWN appear on LWN or Distrowatch would be very good to get some more attention.
- Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your laptop
additional: Install CentOS under VMWare.
Yes, both are probably not really part of the promo SIG but I considered it important :) I started it, but it is not as successful as it could be. Maybe new additions to the Laptop page could make it to CWN as well to drive that a bit too ? :)
Dag Wieers schrieb:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, wonderer wrote:
I read over the ToDo List and have some points to mention and hope its ok:
Certainly, I made that list to encourage anyone to help out. So I guess you were my target audience :)
The following tasks needs one or more owners:
- Create appealing screenshots for the website, articles or events
additional: take pictures from events...
Right, we have pictures of events taken, but none of them have been put online in a structured manner :) So where do we want to put those ?
A Gallery within the wiki, if this are not to many pictures they can put in directly, etc.
Is the wiki a good place to put a few photo's of every event ?
For the first shot, yes! Then we can see if there is a need for a more and more structured Picture Archive. My experiences with other OpenSource Projects told me there will be up to 3 or maybe 5 Images per Event that fit in an "Online Gallery of the Event"... But as you say: if nobody do it, it would not be done ;-)
- Feed information to journalist as an incentive to write a CentOS
article
That could be very dangerous if it is not planned good enough...
Not sure what you mean with dangerous. As long as we do not want to spin anything I do not think we have to fear. As long as we give proper information to when CentOS is good, and in what situations CentOS is not suitable we at least educate people.
No, not to fear, but if person a says to the journalist "CentOS 5.3 will come on the 4th, july 2008" and person b tells another journalist "CentOS 5.3. will come on 13th, August 2008" this can be worse... - who may act in the name of CentOS? - are there an official promo department or does this work over the community? - who is responsible if some press stuff came in? - who are the contact persons?
I think we should do education more than promotion. Most people have no clue what Enterprise Linux is and why they should pay attention to it.
Thats the other part: some ideas on articles or better HowTos: - wich Enterprise Linux should I choose - why, how?! (HowTo and Presentation for Event) - how to use CentOS for Business (Presentation for Events) - how to build a CentOS Intranet (HowTo) - what do I need for my personal CentOS Desktop? - any other ideas?
- Contact magazines for CentOS related articles or include CentOS
media
Therefore CentOS should have ready made press kit (could work out something).
Yes, we need a press-kit.
Ok, I will work a draft version out, ok?! :-) Therefore I need maybe some more infos about CentOS itself. Who can I "interview" about that?
- Contact publishers (of Fedora/RHEL books) to include CentOS on
cover, in print or as media
additional: contact Writers and ask to work out the CentOS related parts.
Right, go over the current RHEL and Fedora books and make sure we can improve the part about CentOS.
Additional question: Do we have a ready made VMWare Image elsewhere online? If not shall we build some and put it on VMWare?
- Sell and ship branded goods on the website and at events
(stickers, mugs, posters, media)
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
I think we are blocked in this area as well. There have been meetings where this as popped up but none of them really were decisive. As long as we do not have a good plan about what we are using money for, I do not think we should be collecting money at all.
Hmm, may I ask how CentOS supports People on events? Travel and Accomondation costs, etc. ?! I knew several Europe wide Events where I can build up booth and talks, but that needs some funding...
- Provide a wiki page that contains paid-for support and services
for CentOS
Question: Who are the Supporters? How many people are in the Crew?
First of all that list should start off with a good explanation towhat CentOS is and what Red Hat's role is. You cannot be honest and not mention Red Hat's role.
sure.
Secondly we probably should make a distinction between different service-providers. You have consultancy, support, products, training, development, ...
Giving a single list without at least some guidance will do us (or our users) no good.
But I think some Infos would be good that the users don't step in the dark...
So, if who-ever wants to build up a paid support Crew has first to have some Supporters ;-)
- Create a CentOS Weekly News that summarizes BLOG articles,
events, progress, etc...
idea: could the blog used to improve the idea? Because of archiving articles and redirect from the Newsletter...?!
Yes, I like the way Fedora Weekly News works. In general it contains links to useful threads on the mailinglist or forums, it points to interesting blog articles, it reports about some progress or about some technology, it talks about the people involved in the projects.
All of that is very useful to build a community and to have people involved. As soon as we have something like this, I am sure that people start paying attention to interesting stuff that could go in the CentOS Weekly News.
And if there is a slow week, it may be a shorter CWN than on a busy week.
Having the CWN appear on LWN or Distrowatch would be very good to get some more attention.
- Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your laptop
additional: Install CentOS under VMWare.
Yes, both are probably not really part of the promo SIG but I considered it important :) I started it, but it is not as successful as it could be. Maybe new additions to the Laptop page could make it to CWN as well to drive that a bit too ? :)
Yes :-)
Ok, I see a bit clearer. So my thought is (I hope I'm right about that) that there are several parts to deal with (I did'nt think that my little question will make such waves..) - Artwork SIG: make some more Pics like http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/centos/ -> Question: can we move these banners over to CentOS (wiki)?
- Promotion: make an updated ToDo List with prioritys and people who can work on it - work on presentations and promo stuff - presskit (myself, its ok with you all...?) - Flyers, Posters
Are there any "Projects" for / with CentOS we can promote more? any Cluster or school project or so?
cheers Henrik
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, wonderer wrote:
Dag Wieers schrieb:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, wonderer wrote:
I read over the ToDo List and have some points to mention and hope its ok:
Certainly, I made that list to encourage anyone to help out. So I guess you were my target audience :)
The following tasks needs one or more owners:
- Create appealing screenshots for the website, articles or events
additional: take pictures from events...
Right, we have pictures of events taken, but none of them have been put online in a structured manner :) So where do we want to put those ?
A Gallery within the wiki, if this are not to many pictures they can put in directly, etc.
Is the wiki a good place to put a few photo's of every event ?
For the first shot, yes! Then we can see if there is a need for a more and more structured Picture Archive. My experiences with other OpenSource Projects told me there will be up to 3 or maybe 5 Images per Event that fit in an "Online Gallery of the Event"... But as you say: if nobody do it, it would not be done ;-)
We need to mail all the people involved in previous events that may have pictures.
Also, it would be nice if we could make a wiki-template with some basic information, a photo, responsibilities, etc, and encourage every Wiki contributor to provide that information. And then have some sort of Team or Community page that lists all of them including the picture.
It would bring some human touch into the wiki. People sometimes forget this is made by inviduals like themself.
- Feed information to journalist as an incentive to write a CentOS
article
That could be very dangerous if it is not planned good enough...
Not sure what you mean with dangerous. As long as we do not want to spin anything I do not think we have to fear. As long as we give proper information to when CentOS is good, and in what situations CentOS is not suitable we at least educate people.
No, not to fear, but if person a says to the journalist "CentOS 5.3 will come on the 4th, july 2008" and person b tells another journalist "CentOS 5.3. will come on 13th, August 2008" this can be worse...
Of course, but it depends on the subject. The other extreme is that you want every communication to be monitored by some people in charge who are too busy with more important matters and therefor *nothing* is done...
- who may act in the name of CentOS?
- are there an official promo department or does this work over the
community?
- who is responsible if some press stuff came in?
- who are the contact persons?
I guess these questions need to go to a meeting as well.
I think we should do education more than promotion. Most people have no clue what Enterprise Linux is and why they should pay attention to it.
Thats the other part: some ideas on articles or better HowTos:
- wich Enterprise Linux should I choose - why, how?! (HowTo and Presentation
for Event)
- how to use CentOS for Business (Presentation for Events)
- how to build a CentOS Intranet (HowTo)
- what do I need for my personal CentOS Desktop?
- any other ideas?
- how to build a media-center/voip/home automation
So many other interesting things that first need a knowledgable presenter and only secondly a good presentation :)
- Contact magazines for CentOS related articles or include CentOS media
Therefore CentOS should have ready made press kit (could work out something).
Yes, we need a press-kit.
Ok, I will work a draft version out, ok?! :-) Therefore I need maybe some more infos about CentOS itself. Who can I "interview" about that?
Depends on what information you need. Why not ask the questions here and get the responsible people involved ?
- Contact publishers (of Fedora/RHEL books) to include CentOS on cover,
in print or as media
additional: contact Writers and ask to work out the CentOS related parts.
Right, go over the current RHEL and Fedora books and make sure we can improve the part about CentOS.
Additional question: Do we have a ready made VMWare Image elsewhere online? If not shall we build some and put it on VMWare?
VMware has a repository of images, I guess it belongs there. The point is, what is the image used for. All use-cases would have their own image.
- Sell and ship branded goods on the website and at events (stickers,
mugs, posters, media)
idea: build up a little spreadshirt shop (see http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/T-Shirt/Spreadshirt-1342/ ) and look how it goes. Selfmade shops are expensive in costs and time to administer it...
I think we are blocked in this area as well. There have been meetings where this as popped up but none of them really were decisive. As long as we do not have a good plan about what we are using money for, I do not think we should be collecting money at all.
Hmm, may I ask how CentOS supports People on events? Travel and Accomondation costs, etc. ?!
On a voluntary basis. We have no money and I do not think we need to spend money on travel and accomodation. We have some income thanks to the donations (in return for media) but we should not depend on it too much. I think we now have 300 Euros, to be honest I did not look into the box after LinuxTag.
On some occasions we do pay for other expenses and the social event for people that volunteer.
I knew several Europe wide Events where I can build up booth and talks, but that needs some funding...
We are an Open Source project, if we cannot have a booth for free I do not think we should have a booth at all. If companies want to sponsor, I am not sure if we should use the money for events. If we have plenty we could reconsider, but at this point in time we should be more concerned about getting somewhat more money (by selling premium CDs and other gadgets, advertising space, what not) than looking to spend it.
- Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your laptop
additional: Install CentOS under VMWare.
Yes, both are probably not really part of the promo SIG but I considered it important :) I started it, but it is not as successful as it could be. Maybe new additions to the Laptop page could make it to CWN as well to drive that a bit too ? :)
Yes :-)
Ok, I see a bit clearer. So my thought is (I hope I'm right about that) that there are several parts to deal with (I did'nt think that my little question will make such waves..)
- Artwork SIG: make some more Pics like http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/centos/
-> Question: can we move these banners over to CentOS (wiki)?
We should definitely ask him. On the other hand, there was some negative criticism that this is NOT the CentOS logo and therefor should NOT be used.
The problem in our community is this: Since we have no real voting mechanism, a negative voice often blocks a proposal while a positive voice may not be heard.
As long as we have no rules for decision-making, there is no decision-making...
- Promotion: make an updated ToDo List with prioritys and people who can work
on it
Go ahead.
- work on presentations and promo stuff
We are doing that everytime there is a need for it. We could use more people doing more presentations and adding more content.
- presskit (myself, its ok with you all...?)
Sure.
- Flyers, Posters
We need people that want to help with the Artwork SIG. That one is dead for some time now. Also, a better planning in between events would help get better promotional material in time for events.
We often want to do a lot, but because we are all volunteers our time is limited. We have been doing a good job until now, but we definitely could do better in the future. If you look at the progress we made, I think LinuxTag 2008 shows how we improved, both with the booth as well with presentations.
Are there any "Projects" for / with CentOS we can promote more? any Cluster or school project or so?
As the promotional team we should encourage people to set up projects and report back about it. A cluster-related SIG or a school-related SIG would be nice, but it would also require a lot of resources/volunteers to be competitive in those areas.
Dag Wieers schrieb:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, wonderer wrote:
Dag Wieers schrieb:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, wonderer wrote:
I read over the ToDo List and have some points to mention and hope its ok:
Certainly, I made that list to encourage anyone to help out. So I guess you were my target audience :)
The following tasks needs one or more owners:
- Create appealing screenshots for the website, articles or events
additional: take pictures from events...
Right, we have pictures of events taken, but none of them have been put online in a structured manner :) So where do we want to put those ?
A Gallery within the wiki, if this are not to many pictures they can put in directly, etc.
Is the wiki a good place to put a few photo's of every event ?
For the first shot, yes! Then we can see if there is a need for a more and more structured Picture Archive. My experiences with other OpenSource Projects told me there will be up to 3 or maybe 5 Images per Event that fit in an "Online Gallery of the Event"... But as you say: if nobody do it, it would not be done ;-)
We need to mail all the people involved in previous events that may have pictures.
done here, soon over other chanels.
Also, it would be nice if we could make a wiki-template with some basic information, a photo, responsibilities, etc, and encourage every Wiki contributor to provide that information. And then have some sort of Team or Community page that lists all of them including the picture.
It would bring some human touch into the wiki. People sometimes forget this is made by inviduals like themself.
ACK.
I think we should do education more than promotion. Most people have no clue what Enterprise Linux is and why they should pay attention to it.
Thats the other part: some ideas on articles or better HowTos:
- wich Enterprise Linux should I choose - why, how?! (HowTo and
Presentation for Event)
- how to use CentOS for Business (Presentation for Events)
- how to build a CentOS Intranet (HowTo)
- what do I need for my personal CentOS Desktop?
- any other ideas?
- how to build a media-center/voip/home automation
So many other interesting things that first need a knowledgable presenter and only secondly a good presentation :)
i made the difference between presentation and HowTo. For a Presentation the Speaker does not have the knowledge in deep, that should be handled in the wiki-HowTo and on irc or other support chanel.
- Contact magazines for CentOS related articles or include CentOS
media
Therefore CentOS should have ready made press kit (could work out something).
Yes, we need a press-kit.
Ok, I will work a draft version out, ok?! :-) Therefore I need maybe some more infos about CentOS itself. Who can I "interview" about that?
Depends on what information you need. Why not ask the questions here and get the responsible people involved ?
Done ;-)
- Contact publishers (of Fedora/RHEL books) to include CentOS on
cover, in print or as media
additional: contact Writers and ask to work out the CentOS related parts.
Right, go over the current RHEL and Fedora books and make sure we can improve the part about CentOS.
Additional question: Do we have a ready made VMWare Image elsewhere online? If not shall we build some and put it on VMWare?
VMware has a repository of images, I guess it belongs there. The point is, what is the image used for. All use-cases would have their own image.
Not necessary. I mean http://www.vmware.com/appliances/ . There could be a standard VMWare Image (or also Xen, but I did not know such a place for Xen Images...) with VMWare Tools installed and some other packages. For promotion very good, because the CentOS Logo and other information could be implemented....
- Create and maintain pages about how to install CentOS on your
laptop
additional: Install CentOS under VMWare.
Yes, both are probably not really part of the promo SIG but I considered it important :) I started it, but it is not as successful as it could be. Maybe new additions to the Laptop page could make it to CWN as well to drive that a bit too ? :)
Yes :-)
Ok, I see a bit clearer. So my thought is (I hope I'm right about that) that there are several parts to deal with (I did'nt think that my little question will make such waves..)
- Artwork SIG: make some more Pics like
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/centos/ -> Question: can we move these banners over to CentOS (wiki)?
We should definitely ask him. On the other hand, there was some negative criticism that this is NOT the CentOS logo and therefor should NOT be used.
The problem in our community is this: Since we have no real voting mechanism, a negative voice often blocks a proposal while a positive voice may not be heard.
As long as we have no rules for decision-making, there is no decision-making...
So, there is a need for it I see ;-) Styleguide is in work ;-)
- Promotion: make an updated ToDo List with prioritys and people who
can work on it
Go ahead.
dont have write permissions at this time ;-) I'l post it later here ...
- work on presentations and promo stuff
We are doing that everytime there is a need for it. We could use more people doing more presentations and adding more content.
The subsentence "there is no need for it" I did not read here ;-) There is ALWAYS need. The question is when and how much ;-)
- Flyers, Posters
We need people that want to help with the Artwork SIG. That one is dead for some time now. Also, a better planning in between events would help get better promotional material in time for events.
I build up an event checklist.Suggestions ...
We often want to do a lot, but because we are all volunteers our time is limited. We have been doing a good job until now, but we definitely could do better in the future. If you look at the progress we made, I think LinuxTag 2008 shows how we improved, both with the booth as well with presentations.
I know that ;-) ... Better as you think...
Are there any "Projects" for / with CentOS we can promote more? any Cluster or school project or so?
As the promotional team we should encourage people to set up projects and report back about it. A cluster-related SIG or a school-related SIG would be nice, but it would also require a lot of resources/volunteers to be competitive in those areas.
If somebody in a company has the idea to work out a project they do not think necessary to speak to the CentOS Team... We do not need for all Projects SIGs and THATs ...Its a matter on how stuff works: - Mister xyz build up a CentOS Server, buidl a nice package or script, make a blog entry or whatever - Promo SIG read about it, hear about it - Promo SIG asks a) Mister xyz how CentOS can help (if projects at first steps) or how CentOS can promote the project - Promo in progress
So, ALL the readers here should have this in mind i guess and if elsewhere something happens a Mail here comes in...
Another point is the "how could I help" area. I did'nt read about it elsewhere on the main CentOS Website, nor the wiki... - how can I donate - how can I participate - how can I help Therefore: areas, Buttons, Benefits?
cheers Henrik
P.S.: have only dag and I a dialog here ;-) ?
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