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MATE 1.20 test build for CentOS 7 available
by Greg Bailey 14 Oct '21

14 Oct '21

Hi everyone, There's been discussions in the past about updating MATE RPMs in EPEL-7: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1436260 https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-August/173154.html (and lots of others...) As a proof-of-concept, I've written some scripts that clone specific commits from the Fedora master branches, and then runs a tool to re-apply RPM scriptlets that are required by EL7 but removed from the Fedora .spec files. The scripts are available at: https://github.com/gebailey/mate-rpms/tree/master/1.20/el7 There's also instructions there if you want to try upgrading to MATE 1.20 w/o rebuilding them yourself. If these packages work for others, perhaps we can revisit the idea of updating the epel7 branches of the Fedora git repos and submitting an official update. There's nothing here (yet) about building MATE 1.22 (which might require a newer gcc for EL7), or building anything on CentOS 8, but thought the CentOS 7 users might find this helpful. -Greg

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Transition test report going from CentOS8 to Debian 10.
by Lamar Owen 06 Aug '21

06 Aug '21

Sorry for the length.... I'm posting this here since this particular transition has been mentioned on-list as one possibility for a path forward for current CentOS Linux users. AlmaLinux, the Developer Subscription RHEL, Rocky, CentOS Stream, Springdale, upgrading to full RHEL; all these are also possibilities, too, and all have different strengths and weaknesses. The transition to Debian has a lot of strengths, including a long track-record of support (even if the support time for a particular release is shorter), a fully-open development model with no 'corporate overlord' that I know of, a large set of supported packages, and a huge community of developers and users. For the CentOS user the main weakness is having to learn a few areas of difference in the way the system is setup and maintained; of course, if a ten-year 'stable' timeframe is really that important to you the lack of that is also a weakness. So, last week I transitioned, as a test of sorts, my working CentOS 8 main laptop to Debian 10. I kept a complete backup of the C8 install should I wish to go back to it, and installed Buster to a new mSATA SSD, but ported the two SATA drives (Dell Precision M6700 - has an mSATA slot plus two SATA bays) straight over after making full backups. I posted a pretty complete rundown on the scientific linux users mailing list, so I won't recap it all here. The bottom line was the the transition was not any more difficult, really, than moving from CentOS 7 to CentOS 8. The software versions in Buster are pretty close to what is in CentOS 8, although I have yet to need any third-party repository (PPA) for anything I've needed to install. All the packages I have worked with so far have worked fine with a little bit of massaging. These include commercial (and costly) software such as Harrison Consoles' Mixbus32C, Qoppa's PDFStudio2019 Professional, and others. So if you were to decide that this is the route for you to take, it does work and I found it to be not nearly as hard as I had thought it might be. If you install GNOME 3 you get GNOME 3; it feels pretty much the same as a non-Classic CentOS GNOME 3, just with a different set of extensions installed by default. That's on the workstation. On the server side, I'm evaluating Proxmox for the virtualization solution, and so far I'm finding it to be a pretty easy migration. I'm using the 'non-subscription' repository, so this is a no-cost option. Even getting the box registered to our EMC Clariion SAN was relatively easy; EMC provides the Unisphere Server Utility for Linux x64 in RPM form; the latest I have is "ServerUtil-Linux-64-x86-en_US-1.0.55.1.0044-1.x86_64.rpm" (which is fairly old, but I did say Clariion arrays, so they're pretty old, too). Debian has provided the 'alien' tool for some time; after installing alien, a simple 'alien -i ServerUtil-Linux-64-x86-en_US-1.0.55.1.0044-1.x86_64.rpm' installed the EMC RPM in the correct place. Proxmox already included everything that serverutilcli requires; on a plain Buster install I had to install dm-multipath and the device mapper libraries and tools before serverutilcli would find the arrays; but it ran just like it did on CentOS 8 (and 7). I haven't decided whether to stay on Debian or not; too early to tell. I have time to test and evaluate. My CentOS 7 installs aren't goin anywhere, though, at least until late 2023. And I've registered for a Developer subscription of RHEL so that I can properly evaluate that option, too. This is the beauty of open source: we have OPTIONS.

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What to do when a selinux policy doesn't work?
by hw 14 Apr '21

14 Apr '21

Hi, I'm getting log file entries about ejabberd not being able to remove files that were uploaded by client through the file upload facility of XMPP. With the help of audit2allow, I have already created and installed some selinux modules to solve such issues, and still files can't be expired. So I used grep '/srv/data/ejabberd' /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -w to find out what might cause this, and the answer is: type=AVC msg=audit(1606302910.314:2905): avc: denied { open } for pid=18687 comm="8_dirty_io_sche" path="/srv/data/ejabberd/[...]" dev="md100" ino=166 scontext=system_u:system_r:ejabberd_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:var_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=1 Was caused by: Unknown - would be allowed by active policy Possible mismatch between this policy and the one under which the audit message was generated. Possible mismatch between current in-memory boolean settings vs. permanent ones. I have reloaded the policies with 'semodule -R', and that didn't change anything. The files in question seem to have the correct attributes like: ls -laZ /srv/data/ejabberd/[...] -rw-r--r--. 1 ejabberd ejabberd system_u:object_r:var_t:s0 1384362 Nov 25 12:15 /srv/data/ejabberd/[...] Ejabberd is supposed to expire files when they are older than desired, and selinux prevents it. How can I solve this problem other than by disabling selinux or by deleting the files manually?

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Koji packages
by Frederick 03 Mar '21

03 Mar '21

Good Day All! I am trying to grab some packages from the Koji site. Any idea why it seems to be down and if/when it will be back? 403 Forbidden Request forbidden by administrative rules. https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ Thank you!

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CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 191, Issue 4
by centos-announce-request＠centos.org 28 Feb '21

28 Feb '21

Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to centos-announce(a)centos.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to centos-announce-request(a)centos.org You can reach the person managing the list at centos-announce-owner(a)centos.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CEBA-2021:0623 CentOS 7 microcode_ctl BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes) 2. CESA-2020:5402 Important CentOS 7 libexif Security Update (Johnny Hughes) 3. CESA-2020:5408 Important CentOS 7 xorg-x11-server Security Update (Johnny Hughes) 4. CESA-2021:0024 Important CentOS 7 ImageMagick Security Update (Johnny Hughes) 5. CEBA-2020:4046 CentOS 7 grub2 BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes) 6. CESA-2021:0656 Critical CentOS 7 firefox Security Update (Johnny Hughes) 7. CESA-2021:0661 Important CentOS 7 thunderbird Security Update (Johnny Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:18:35 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2021:0623 CentOS 7 microcode_ctl BugFix Update Message-ID: <20210227141835.GA6669(a)bstore1.rdu2.centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2021:0623 Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2021:0623 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: 0cf6bb4e5beb49f3a45a5171babb25685cf72156e8666dc2a57f9fef6af67838 microcode_ctl-2.1-73.8.el7_9.x86_64.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net Twitter: @JohnnyCentOS ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:19:00 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2020:5402 Important CentOS 7 libexif Security Update Message-ID: <20210227141900.GA6802(a)bstore1.rdu2.centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2020:5402 Important Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020:5402 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: 3bb0da4f1c883b5aaa0ad687bcc2022ba9573d912ff906b6657bc7e96676c5d9 libexif-0.6.22-2.el7_9.i686.rpm 49776569805f34f9417a664fb394e7bff8444fee386100309ce6306cba1c8b1a libexif-0.6.22-2.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 6dafcb9ecc7ca14a4ae5417e71c1fee10a7213e0ebf3d3750cbd23a8cacf5eef libexif-devel-0.6.22-2.el7_9.i686.rpm 618179611cd44ba685db172d3afd1dc0248e66533a35b8e46cdf118d812340d3 libexif-devel-0.6.22-2.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 0c9cd97e333e5ea85907e92483ef91dbdb08349b7e29916dcf5c08061c74f836 libexif-doc-0.6.22-2.el7_9.x86_64.rpm Source: 3729ce39ae2b4b5ca93513cb15046a4b55ada0662f3ee6888927e6caad3f5709 libexif-0.6.22-2.el7_9.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net Twitter: @JohnnyCentOS ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:19:46 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2020:5408 Important CentOS 7 xorg-x11-server Security Update Message-ID: <20210227141946.GA7011(a)bstore1.rdu2.centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2020:5408 Important Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020:5408 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: 5ba93bb7af0fa5612cec66a27e5736fb8c5460ccfc0e32ff2e9e8c97c2587a3f xorg-x11-server-common-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 8300c30550c66d4567d56de5063d79d5818aea066707cfcf6638dd2811bd74fc xorg-x11-server-devel-1.20.4-15.el7_9.i686.rpm 40a441051ed2bb80ba7bf16effb6ef562dc02cffbcb40be34952dcdc20a3b66c xorg-x11-server-devel-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm bb3864015d5c6e8d0e5f6d4ad1683af99c0b275dcf2efcaee1e4aebf6d78082d xorg-x11-server-source-1.20.4-15.el7_9.noarch.rpm 375dc1e4e253dad77a1c726888c330f2d32bfac978fb2501318c810a4fb93843 xorg-x11-server-Xdmx-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm fc23786485123d8fc0e167c65ecee809b1c1047c61cea465e243cf4b64b2a78e xorg-x11-server-Xephyr-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm a79594486e59ec5b826e79499c455a6d627baff4bdc3f3df763e5018309b5f9c xorg-x11-server-Xnest-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 38116fc986dbde5d1071bccc99bf83579d9cf9cfe210af409971b02a8225df2e xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 27534a1920262b79fa35a9509e192cd19a2916bb7b11d0db13f71ae7cff375a9 xorg-x11-server-Xvfb-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm b0d7b591888b6fd49b457c15fa981112edaa1d269c881960174a8676102cad81 xorg-x11-server-Xwayland-1.20.4-15.el7_9.x86_64.rpm Source: aa1a835131bbf66abfd0409afc8d8cf66e6ae6e5c446c0aa7c773d037b730a41 xorg-x11-server-1.20.4-15.el7_9.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net Twitter: @JohnnyCentOS ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:21:05 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:0024 Important CentOS 7 ImageMagick Security Update Message-ID: <20210227142105.GA7191(a)bstore1.rdu2.centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:0024 Important Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0024 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: 49941263a7a0309c58b3d3e00ab81c56b1ee1a70b49b873188cc23686f5d3d9b ImageMagick-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.i686.rpm 8b82511897f48ce484e303fe650c32ea1191e71ee0cbd9aff580743fa4f9067c ImageMagick-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 3d1f2217dd6b5ed505a6858933c562175be86840b5c6c7328291ec8c31333a56 ImageMagick-c++-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.i686.rpm 208142489b5b939b70a9d0d5242ac84ad700f6bc7f8549c1b26d447993c66b86 ImageMagick-c++-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 3fb72ac0367e9afd39874f48b9a0b356b9cbb0b86d41265538358ef72583d32d ImageMagick-c++-devel-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.i686.rpm fb00ca97e06f7da066e8d05cafb17b9f9680e39f50979090e489d8a1720bb4d4 ImageMagick-c++-devel-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.x86_64.rpm d45776ea070dd01bfa5681b3d5be4cd2fdb7fe2baac5c1720ab216221ef7ddf8 ImageMagick-devel-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.i686.rpm b095f7fcbb5d718e30c01471ddebc9eca7b0315ab21ba2c286f3e4c44b8bf2b1 ImageMagick-devel-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 4c39fd8baa3677dd6ae1debc1bc8f2bcb012f024717dc7b97179d39ba6e3853f ImageMagick-doc-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.x86_64.rpm 4dc1a1327e468460b517ab53ed5f213f2ea0b15a999fc2c3f80d7d5b477118cd ImageMagick-perl-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.x86_64.rpm Source: 22f7687f463972266acf1480018df3edab9c5b809501a842b97042deef75bf90 ImageMagick-6.9.10.68-5.el7_9.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net Twitter: @JohnnyCentOS ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:33:22 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2020:4046 CentOS 7 grub2 BugFix Update Message-ID: <20210227143322.GA9504(a)bstore1.rdu2.centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2020:4046 Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2020:4046 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: abb495131866830ec1e5474b69876de363e44c471e7221b10ce992f1f526f966 grub2-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm 50c11af52b9c7aba5a74a2beb07e802550af036c3a37feb00b9bfca7b241ffa1 grub2-common-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.noarch.rpm 72b814596920effa935ebdde082d64181b5aa2f44485a058f2535c54828f931e grub2-efi-ia32-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm ce893faa55582d8281001d9876f4ceaddca9de5adf25f32692196a6e85a1aa48 grub2-efi-ia32-cdboot-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm 5d260748ee7254fcf65c3e3312e541e2f9883d21279926f45ee85ad44eb5b4e7 grub2-efi-ia32-modules-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.noarch.rpm f659cc4a3ded31fe85ee2123860696b26f1983182f66c76b6a76d0e5dc5f3d2f grub2-efi-x64-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm 05a40b72da0cf303bc79e3b58cda8c7f7edb3f19a201eca57225af9a1e012beb grub2-efi-x64-cdboot-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm f2ef03a6ec5037c50e7f13a6a7c2465e14b247e48ec9b158e91bbf86094e3dd1 grub2-efi-x64-modules-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.noarch.rpm bd55b6e53bef2770d4702bf6fb6bcd13145e761a809da1a07423a7e1e3898f82 grub2-i386-modules-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.noarch.rpm dc1039bae026e06f606e2a26e159743f3cf3ed19a75609cb5664372c17b4d90c grub2-pc-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm 456aa067cc96e03aaa605e52a86cc973f7a8dab09337cce112097a4608dd143a grub2-pc-modules-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.noarch.rpm 82bf486bffe227eaa4681fdcf6cb4c2225d25b5dbdad8b4009f3da4a506834ef grub2-tools-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm 0eb359490eab964f970cb8d6fd9987a38a3e3f9c585348941c53fb1b709c71f1 grub2-tools-extra-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm c0e72c1dbf2c72f272577dc891736d1403dd928b5e9f236721ea261f99677b61 grub2-tools-minimal-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm Source: b54c7d7d22e344b19816c6b891484dd12659442b088bab993053889a28dea14d grub2-2.02-0.87.el7.centos.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net Twitter: @JohnnyCentOS ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:34:20 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:0656 Critical CentOS 7 firefox Security Update Message-ID: <20210227143420.GA9686(a)bstore1.rdu2.centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:0656 Critical Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0656 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: c51cb2eba6f030cce0b81686cebf834e0aad1fb747875ef6fc8d06c6930fe18a firefox-78.8.0-1.el7.centos.i686.rpm 802ef81827f925a8e48e7eac8b4f0c0e44a7873cc15a96c696316840d6541191 firefox-78.8.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm Source: 9fb25f49dbe9e585312f707a0303a6c6c1a19f2ab52f2b36e52c21b79225b925 firefox-78.8.0-1.el7.centos.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net Twitter: @JohnnyCentOS ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:34:56 +0000 From: Johnny Hughes <johnny(a)centos.org> To: centos-announce(a)centos.org Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2021:0661 Important CentOS 7 thunderbird Security Update Message-ID: <20210227143456.GA9797(a)bstore1.rdu2.centos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2021:0661 Important Upstream details at : https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2021:0661 The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename ) x86_64: 2079fcbe2c07aa0485612a667be1c81504654629f2931e7110664db306550787 thunderbird-78.8.0-1.el7.centos.x86_64.rpm Source: b1d0ae38d26dde16a81ac71b72f6368e625a7ccbed26d6dc8475c975d7569636 thunderbird-78.8.0-1.el7.centos.src.rpm -- Johnny Hughes CentOS Project { http://www.centos.org/ } irc: hughesjr, #centos(a)irc.freenode.net Twitter: @JohnnyCentOS ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CentOS-announce mailing list CentOS-announce(a)centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce ------------------------------ End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 191, Issue 4 ***********************************************

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bash: return status of an assignment
by Kenneth Porter 28 Feb '21

28 Feb '21

In the sqm-scripts package for managing network traffic shaping is this line for finding a program suitable for loading the kernel shaping modules: [ -z "$INSMOD" ] && INSMOD=$(which modprobe) || INSMOD=$(which insmod) It seems to set INSMOD to /usr/sbin/insmod, even though /usr/sbin/modprobe is available. (Both are symlinks to ../bin/kmod.) According to this article, the return value of the first assignment should be success and it shouldn't take the fallback statement: <https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/270828/how-is-the-return-status-of…> Also working the issue here: <https://github.com/tohojo/sqm-scripts/issues/133>

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How to install XFCE on CentOS 8?
by Simon Matter 27 Feb '21

27 Feb '21

Hi, Is anyone here running XFCE desktop on CentOS 8? If so, how did you install it? I just tried to install it from EPEL and this is what I got: # dnf group install Xfce Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:01 ago on Thu 11 Feb 2021 10:05:47 CET. No match for group package "NetworkManager-gnome" No match for group package "thunar-archive-plugin" I'm unable to find packages for NetworkManager-gnome or thunar-archive-plugin anywhere in CentOS 8 or EPEL 8. Did I miss something? Thanks, Simon

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menu apps like make menu config
by Christopher Wensink 26 Feb '21

26 Feb '21

Good morning everyone, While vi, cat more or less can work (see what I did there..) for looking at every day Linux Administration, sometimes I think it's just easier to work with a menu based interface, where you can select and navigate messages and options, with a little bit of color, possibly function key interaction, and a working interface, similar to using make menuconfig for compiling the kernel and similar to performing a legacy text based install on a new system. Is there a master list of those kinds of apps that have a menu for looking at various things? Can anyone who thinks of more of these apps rattle off some other options such as: abc - for reading logs xyz for text based chat def - for a menu based browser ghi - for a text mail client, etc -- Christopher Wensink IS Administrator Five Star Plastics, Inc 1339 Continental Drive Eau Claire, WI 54701 Office: 715-831-1682 Mobile: 715-563-3112 Fax: 715-831-6075 cwensink(a)five-star-plastics.com www.five-star-plastics.com

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e2fsck but says mounted and cannot
by Jerry Geis 25 Feb '21

25 Feb '21

I have a system that needs to run e2fsck (C7). I boot into rescue mode, skip to shell (option 3). enter they PW and I type: e2fsck -y /dev/sda1 and it says is mounted. This is "/" What do I do so I can run e2fsck ? Thanks, Jerry

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OpenStack Training Recommendations
by Paul Heinlein 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Our team at work is looking for OpenStack training options. The training should cover * overview of widely used OpenStack services * network architecture * installation and configuration * ongoing administration, maintenance, and troubleshooting * upgrading We'd prefer workflows based around Puppet or Ansible, since we know those tools, but operational continuity is more important than the tools used. We'd likewise prefer solutions oriented toward CentOS or RHEL, but, again, it's just a preference. We've investigated kolla-ansible for deployment, but we're not adverse to changing toolsets if the upside is right. I'd characterize our team as journeymen to expert system administrators. We specialize in supporting research groups. The training would be to provide skills and knowledge for our team to support OpenStack as a long-term in-house virtualization option. I'd love to hear your first-hand experiences with any specific training offerings. Thanks! (Note: we have other virtualization solutions in place. OpenStack is specifically required by researchers whose wider scientific communities have built workflows for that environment. Suggestions to ditch OpenStack for OtherGreatSolution will be ignored.) -- Paul Heinlein heinlein(a)madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W

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