Hi,
I'm recently retired from my university job. I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Anybody got any experience of running CentOS on the newer Dell Latitudes E5000 or E7000. These are not certified according to Redhats' Hardware Guide.
Alternatively Precision Workstations would do. These can be supplied with Ubuntu installed so they run Linux.
Thanks,
Tony
I have been buying off-lease used Latitudes and Precision laptops for years for the sole reason that they are always Linux friendly and solidly reliable. Most of them can be ordered new with Ubuntu.
Mike
On 11/22/2016 10:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
Hi,
I'm recently retired from my university job. I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Anybody got any experience of running CentOS on the newer Dell Latitudes E5000 or E7000. These are not certified according to Redhats' Hardware Guide.
Alternatively Precision Workstations would do. These can be supplied with Ubuntu installed so they run Linux.
Thanks,
Tony
Hello,
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:19:41 -0500 "Mike McCarthy, W1NR" sysop@w1nr.net wrote:
I have been buying off-lease used Latitudes and Precision laptops for years for the sole reason that they are always Linux friendly and solidly reliable. Most of them can be ordered new with Ubuntu.
I am using Dell Latitude series for more than 10 years (professionally, as a dev, so you can imagine that the system is not sleeping during working hour), solid hardware and good Linux support. I only saw minor degradations across 4 laptops and only one or two tricks sometimes necessary like for the wifi or eth chip when configuring the system but I always win at the end.
Regards,
On 11/22/2016 10:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
Hi,
I'm recently retired from my university job. I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Anybody got any experience of running CentOS on the newer Dell Latitudes E5000 or E7000. These are not certified according to Redhats' Hardware Guide.
Alternatively Precision Workstations would do. These can be supplied with Ubuntu installed so they run Linux.
Thanks,
Tony
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Mike McCarthy, W1NR wrote:
I have been buying off-lease used Latitudes and Precision laptops for years for the sole reason that they are always Linux friendly and solidly reliable. Most of them can be ordered new with Ubuntu.
<g> Note that you can order servers with RHEL.
mark "what do you *think* we have a lot of running CentOS?"
On 11/22/2016 07:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Dell's Linux laptops are listed here:
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us&l=en...
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 18:32:14 Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 11/22/2016 07:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Dell's Linux laptops are listed here:
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us &l=en&s=biz
Been through the Dell site, I'm very familiar with Dell.
The original question was whether anybody was running CentOS 6/7 on Dell Latitude or Precision Workstation so I could replace Ubuntu with CentOS.
Rather not go for XPS basically a gaming machine not expandable enough same with Inspiron.
Thanks,
Tony
On 11/22/2016 11:01 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
Been through the Dell site, I'm very familiar with Dell.
...
Rather not go for XPS basically a gaming machine not expandable enough same with Inspiron.
Well, take another look at the URL. Most of the systems there are Precision systems.
Can't comment on CentOS specifically. I use Fedora for workstations.
Hello Tony,
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:01:18 +0000 Tony Molloy tony.molloy@ul.ie wrote:
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 18:32:14 Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 11/22/2016 07:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Dell's Linux laptops are listed here:
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us &l=en&s=biz
Been through the Dell site, I'm very familiar with Dell.
The original question was whether anybody was running CentOS 6/7 on Dell Latitude or Precision Workstation so I could replace Ubuntu with CentOS.
Rather not go for XPS basically a gaming machine not expandable enough same with Inspiron.
Latitude OK, I run CentOS6/7 on that.
Regards,
On 11/22/2016 12:41 PM, wwp wrote:
Latitude OK, I run CentOS6/7 on that.
which Latitude? they've probably made 100 different laptops over the last couple decades branded 'Latitude'.
I bet my wife's new Latitude 15 5000 would be problematic, it uses USB C/Thunderport for its docking station which has 2 additional video adapters in it. She's even having some issues with Windows 7 with the docking ports, Win 10 is the officially supported OS, but her $job software is all win7 based..
Hello John,
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:55:27 -0800 John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 11/22/2016 12:41 PM, wwp wrote:
Latitude OK, I run CentOS6/7 on that.
which Latitude? they've probably made 100 different laptops over the last couple decades branded 'Latitude'.
I bet my wife's new Latitude 15 5000 would be problematic, it uses USB C/Thunderport for its docking station which has 2 additional video adapters in it. She's even having some issues with Windows 7 with the docking ports, Win 10 is the officially supported OS, but her $job software is all win7 based..
D800 series (810, etc.), E6500 series (E6500, E6530, etc.), at least. Depends also of what you get inside, controller chips, video.. Globally everything will work according to my experience.
Regards,
On 11/22/2016 1:14 PM, wwp wrote:
D800 series (810, etc.), E6500 series (E6500, E6530, etc.), at least.
D series are 10 years or more old. ancient in laptop terms. I had a D600 for a long time (new in 2003).
The E6x00, '10, '20, and '30 are also fairly old (2008, 2010, 2011, and 2012, respectively).
The current models branded like Latitude 15 5000, 14 7000, etc, are in fact Exx70 models, these are 6th gen core i3/i5/i7 based, aka Skylake, and its this newest generation of stuff thats got compatibility issues with CentOS.
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 21:49:52 John R Pierce wrote:
On 11/22/2016 1:14 PM, wwp wrote:
D800 series (810, etc.), E6500 series (E6500, E6530, etc.), at least.
D series are 10 years or more old. ancient in laptop terms. I had a D600 for a long time (new in 2003).
The E6x00, '10, '20, and '30 are also fairly old (2008, 2010, 2011, and 2012, respectively).
The current models branded like Latitude 15 5000, 14 7000, etc, are in fact Exx70 models, these are 6th gen core i3/i5/i7 based, aka Skylake, and its this newest generation of stuff thats got compatibility issues with CentOS.
That's what I thought. I think I'll go for a Precision Workstation. Anybody see any major problems with the following configuration.
I'm the ex Systems Manager of a Computer Science Dept. so I have lots of experience in configuring Linux systems.
precision 15 7510
Intel® Core i5-6300HQ Processor (Quad Core 2.30G Ubuntu Linux 14.04 SP1 NVIDIA Quadro M1000M w/2GB GDDR5 15.6 Ultrasharp™ FHD IPS (1920x108 Bezel For Full HD Non Touch with Camera +MIC 16GB (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 N-ECC Intel® Dual Band Wireless 8260 (802.11ac) 256GB M.2 PCIe Solid State Drive Additional 1TB 2.5inch SATA (7200 Rpm) Hard Drive 6-cell (72Wh) Lithium Ion battery
Seems pretty standard components to me.
Thanks,
Tony
On 11/23/2016 2:02 PM, Tony Molloy wrote:
precision 15 7510
Intel® Core i5-6300HQ Processor (Quad Core 2.30G
that too is a "skylake", latest gen intel CPU, you might have some issues with CentOS and the USB C/Thunderport, and/or USB 3 on those. If it works on Ubuntu, you likely can get it working with C7 albeit maybe using a newer kernel.
unless you're going to game or run advanced CAD software, I'd try and find one that uses Intel's onboard graphics, just to keep things simpler, and save on battery life.
IF that M.2 PCIe SSD is a NVMe drive, you might need to muck about with drivers or newer kernels to get it working, but it may well work in SATA mode 'out of box'.
For sure, you'll have more luck with CentOS 7.x rather than 6.x
On 11/23/2016 02:14 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
IF that M.2 PCIe SSD is a NVMe drive, you might need to muck about with drivers or newer kernels to get it working, but it may well work in SATA mode 'out of box'.
Just to clarify this:
Many modern Intel systems come configured for an Intel "RAID" mode. While configured for that mode, the SATA controller changes its PCI ID so that the standard Windows drivers don't bind to it, allowing the Intel RAID drivers to bind to it instead. There are no Linux drivers that bind to the "RAID" mode PCI ID, though if you switch the controller to "standard" mode, Linux drivers will work normally.
On 11/23/2016 2:42 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
Many modern Intel systems come configured for an Intel "RAID" mode. While configured for that mode, the SATA controller changes its PCI ID so that the standard Windows drivers don't bind to it, allowing the Intel RAID drivers to bind to it instead. There are no Linux drivers that bind to the "RAID" mode PCI ID, though if you switch the controller to "standard" mode, Linux drivers will work normally.
I thought the mdraid software raid drivers supported the intel RST (formerly Matrix) fake raid ? the major difference is, with RST/Matrix, the whole disk has to be mirrored then partitioned, while mdraid normally does mirroring on a per partition basis. the other difference is the raid metadata block, but I thought mdraid understood how to interpret the intel RST/Matrix stuff ?
On 11/23/2016 02:55 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
I thought the mdraid software raid drivers supported the intel RST (formerly Matrix) fake raid ?
It does, but I believe this behavior is specific to Intel Skylake (and presumably, later) hardware. Matthew has a few details at the URL I included earlier, as well as one of his previous blog entries.
The problem isn't that Linux doesn't recognize the RAID data, it's that the controller switches to an unrecognized and undocumented PCI ID, for which there are currently no Linux drivers. Linux won't even see the storage device, because it can't operate the controller that the storage device is connected to (while it's in "RAID" mode).
On November 23, 2016 5:14:37 PM EST, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 11/23/2016 2:02 PM, Tony Molloy wrote:
precision 15 7510
Intel® Core i5-6300HQ Processor (Quad Core 2.30G
that too is a "skylake", latest gen intel CPU, you might have some issues with CentOS and the USB C/Thunderport, and/or USB 3 on those.
If it works on Ubuntu, you likely can get it working with C7 albeit maybe using a newer kernel.
unless you're going to game or run advanced CAD software, I'd try and find one that uses Intel's onboard graphics, just to keep things simpler, and save on battery life.
IF that M.2 PCIe SSD is a NVMe drive, you might need to muck about with
drivers or newer kernels to get it working, but it may well work in SATA mode 'out of box'.
For sure, you'll have more luck with CentOS 7.x rather than 6.x
-- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz
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I am looking with interest at Dell XPS 15 but have not yet begun investigating if CentOS 7 would run on it.
That's what I thought. I think I'll go for a Precision Workstation. Anybody see any major problems with the following configuration.
I bought a Dell Precision 7510 last month, and it works great with CentOS. You can find my setup here:
https://elliotli.blogspot.com/2016/11/dell-precision-15-7510-running-centos-...
I spec'ed out my requirement on dell.com, and it costed around $3000. I eventually bought mine from an Authorized Dell Refurbished Reseller on eBay and it only cost $1800. The machine arrived as flawless as I can tell.
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 21:14:15 wwp wrote:
Hello John,
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:55:27 -0800 John R Pierce
pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 11/22/2016 12:41 PM, wwp wrote:
Latitude OK, I run CentOS6/7 on that.
which Latitude? they've probably made 100 different laptops over the last couple decades branded 'Latitude'.
I bet my wife's new Latitude 15 5000 would be problematic, it uses USB C/Thunderport for its docking station which has 2 additional video adapters in it. She's even having some issues with Windows 7 with the docking ports, Win 10 is the officially supported OS, but her $job software is all win7 based..
D800 series (810, etc.), E6500 series (E6500, E6530, etc.), at least. Depends also of what you get inside, controller chips, video.. Globally everything will work according to my experience.
Regards,
But they're all old models. I already run CentOS 6/7 on Latidude E65xx.
I'm looking for newer models.
Thanks,
Tony
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 20:41:34 wwp wrote:
Hello Tony,
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:01:18 +0000 Tony Molloy tony.molloy@ul.ie
wrote:
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 18:32:14 Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 11/22/2016 07:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote:
I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Dell's Linux laptops are listed here:
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop? c=us &l=en&s=biz
Been through the Dell site, I'm very familiar with Dell.
The original question was whether anybody was running CentOS 6/7 on Dell Latitude or Precision Workstation so I could replace Ubuntu with CentOS.
Rather not go for XPS basically a gaming machine not expandable enough same with Inspiron.
Latitude OK, I run CentOS6/7 on that.
Regards,
What Latitude model though. E5000 or E7000
Thanks
Tony
When you go to the Dell Linux site and choose shop now you are taken to a page featuring Windows 10 machines.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 22, 2016, at 13:01, Tony Molloy tony.molloy@ul.ie wrote:
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 18:32:14 Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 11/22/2016 07:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote: I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Dell's Linux laptops are listed here:
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us &l=en&s=biz
Been through the Dell site, I'm very familiar with Dell.
The original question was whether anybody was running CentOS 6/7 on Dell Latitude or Precision Workstation so I could replace Ubuntu with CentOS.
Rather not go for XPS basically a gaming machine not expandable enough same with Inspiron.
Thanks,
Tony
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At least one I looked at, the 17.3 inch, had an option for Ubuntu 14.04.
On 11/22/2016 06:50 PM, Dr. Mikeal Hughes wrote:
When you go to the Dell Linux site and choose shop now you are taken to a page featuring Windows 10 machines.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 22, 2016, at 13:01, Tony Molloy tony.molloy@ul.ie wrote:
On Tuesday 22 November 2016 18:32:14 Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 11/22/2016 07:23 AM, Tony Molloy wrote: I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Dell's Linux laptops are listed here:
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us &l=en&s=biz
Been through the Dell site, I'm very familiar with Dell.
The original question was whether anybody was running CentOS 6/7 on Dell Latitude or Precision Workstation so I could replace Ubuntu with CentOS.
Rather not go for XPS basically a gaming machine not expandable enough same with Inspiron.
Thanks,
Tony
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On 11/22/2016 03:50 PM, Dr. Mikeal Hughes wrote:
When you go to the Dell Linux site and choose shop now you are taken to a page featuring Windows 10 machines.
At least for the Precision systems, click "customize and buy" and you'll have the option to select Ubuntu, and discount the cost of Windows.
I believe you can contact a sales rep for the XPS system.
On 11/22/2016 3:50 PM, Dr. Mikeal Hughes wrote:
When you go to the Dell Linux site and choose shop now you are taken to a page featuring Windows 10 machines.
[OT rant]
a pet peeve... webpile redesigns that mess everything up.
I was looking for info on the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) website last night, and they'd totally redone the entire mess, it was all slick and web 3.0-ish, and full of glowing PR material, and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THE THOUSANDS OF LOCATIONS BLM MANAGES.
could have been a brochure for a vaporware company for all the useful info I found. I don't want to tweet or 'like' crap, I wanted to find out about a specific region they manage, and all the old links to this info were broken.
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 5:07 PM, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 11/22/2016 3:50 PM, Dr. Mikeal Hughes wrote:
When you go to the Dell Linux site and choose shop now you are taken to a page featuring Windows 10 machines.
[OT rant]
a pet peeve... webpile redesigns that mess everything up.
I was looking for info on the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) website last night, and they'd totally redone the entire mess, it was all slick and web 3.0-ish, and full of glowing PR material, and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON THE THOUSANDS OF LOCATIONS BLM MANAGES.
could have been a brochure for a vaporware company for all the useful info I found. I don't want to tweet or 'like' crap, I wanted to find out about a specific region they manage, and all the old links to this info were broken.
-- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz
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Hi Tony,
I've installed CentOS7 on a Latitude 7470 and can say for a fact that most of the suff just works, while some of it that doesn't (like HDMI, or KMS, nifty little feature I like to have) works with an Elrepo LT or ML kernels. Personally, I'd recommend the LT kernel. I also read in the RHEL 7.3 release notes that I2C support for Gen6 mobile CPUs was introduced. Thus as the time passes, say 6 months from now, one should be able to drop the LT/ML kernel in favor of the stock RHEL/CentOS kernel.
On a side note, the Latitude design/sturdiness impressions were much better than that of a Lenovo X1 Carbon gen4.
Regards, Milos.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 03:23:08PM +0000, Tony Molloy wrote:
Hi,
I'm recently retired from my university job. I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Anybody got any experience of running CentOS on the newer Dell Latitudes E5000 or E7000. These are not certified according to Redhats' Hardware Guide.
Alternatively Precision Workstations would do. These can be supplied with Ubuntu installed so they run Linux.
Thanks,
Tony
I think you need 4.4 lts kernel, for example elrepo lts.
I run this time 4.8.11 with i3 6100 HP Laptop on my own special repo (Test envoirement).
X11 uses a git version for the intel graphic card.
If you are not a beginner. You can take a view :-)
Sincerely
Andy
[cms4all-drivers] name=cms4all-drivers baseurl=http://centos.cms4all.org/repo/7/drivers/ #baseurl=file:///srv/repo/centos/7/drivers gpgcheck=0 enabled=1
[cms4all-kernel] name=cms4all-kernel baseurl=http://centos.cms4all.org/repo/7/kernel/ #baseurl=file:///srv/repo/centos/7/kernel gpgcheck=0 enabled=1
My experience of using CentOS 7 on Precision 7510. HTH: http://elliotli.blogspot.com/2016/11/dell-precision-15-7510-running-centos-7...
PS. Sorry for replying to this mail. I couldn't find OP's mail.
Yan
On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Andreas Benzler andreas@benzlerweb.de wrote:
I think you need 4.4 lts kernel, for example elrepo lts.
I run this time 4.8.11 with i3 6100 HP Laptop on my own special repo (Test envoirement).
X11 uses a git version for the intel graphic card.
If you are not a beginner. You can take a view :-)
Sincerely
Andy
[cms4all-drivers] name=cms4all-drivers baseurl=http://centos.cms4all.org/repo/7/drivers/ #baseurl=file:///srv/repo/centos/7/drivers gpgcheck=0 enabled=1
[cms4all-kernel] name=cms4all-kernel baseurl=http://centos.cms4all.org/repo/7/kernel/ #baseurl=file:///srv/repo/centos/7/kernel gpgcheck=0 enabled=1
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On Tuesday 22 November 2016 15:23:08 Tony Molloy wrote:
Hi,
I'm recently retired from my university job. I am looking for a laptop to run CentOS 6/7. My university was a traditional Dell site so I've used Latitude laptops for years, currently E6500/E6510.
Anybody got any experience of running CentOS on the newer Dell Latitudes E5000 or E7000. These are not certified according to Redhats' Hardware Guide.
Alternatively Precision Workstations would do. These can be supplied with Ubuntu installed so they run Linux.
Thanks,
Tony
Thanks to all who replied to my request above. I'm sorry for the delay in replying but I've been in hospital for the past month, just out on christmas leave.
I finally ordered a Precision 7510 Workstation, as recommended by a couple of people. It arrived with Ubuntu installed ( god I don't like Unity ) Over my christmas break I'll have a go at installing CentOS 7 and let ye know how I get on.
Again thanks to everyone who took the time to reply, and have a Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year.
Tony.
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